Tuesday, July 30, 2019

Good Story 212: Lent

Scott finds the Holy Grail in a hollowed out book. Julie prays to fall on her face like all good people. Episode 212: Jo Walton's Lent.

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  • Good Story 100: Among Others (with Br. Guy Consolmagno)
  • A Just Recompense review of Lent - to which we refer several times during the podcast


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    2. Hi, it's me again. I keep coming back to this book, in different ways.
      Can either of you further address the difference between the rebellion of the Angels, which is unpardonable, and the sin of man, which is pardonable? What is the difference? I'm not Catholic, but I have a copy of the Catechism, and have read the sections Scott reads on the episode - why is there no repentence for their sin? Why is it so irrevocable? Both angels and Man have free will and choose to disobey, consequences are more clearly spelled out to man than to angels as far as I can see, so why is it the angel's sin is irrevocable, but man's is not?
      I still see a parallel between Christ harrowing hell of people (let's assume there are different Hells for people and demons, for the moment) and Asbiel/Girolomo harrowing hell of demons. But to get there, I need to better understand why Satan's sin is so irrevocable. Ideas?

      1. Hi Karen!

        After this podcast I was interested in the same question. I'm still looking into it, but here's a link to some interesting info:

        Using mostly Origen and St. Thomas Aquinas, the author explains that the difference is "rooted in our differing natures. We humans, according to Aquinas, reach the perfection by ‘change and movement.’"

        "Heavenly creatures, on the other hand, by their very nature already have their ‘last perfection,’ according to Aquinas."

        That is my understanding so far.

      2. Thanks for helping... that idea of "reaching perfection" seems to brush up against Marsilio Ficino's Neoplatonist array of five levels of being, with angels second only to God because they are non-corporeal. That got me started on when Angels were created anyway, since they aren't specifically mentioned in the first Creation story. Seems there are a lot of opinions on that: they were witnesses to creation per Job, so they must have been created before the heavens; they were created with the heavens; they were created on day 2, or 3, or any day before 6. That, plus the pure-spirit thing, seems important. They not only don't have matter to overcome, they had far more experience with God, who in their experience was less of a parent figure (has he was to Adam & Eve, who never saw Heaven or creation) and more the Almighty of the Heavens.
        If you find any more interesting materials, by all means let me know!

      3. I absolutely will, and please do the same! This is fascinating.